Glitch Exploit / Rules update

Hello,

I was playing as a vamp when a well known admin decided to use glitch to buy chaosphere and dark chaos gem (by using charm on the lich).
Then I argue with him, telling him it was bannable, he told me it was not and that all admins used it so I was a little confuse. 
Indeed after that I still tried to play, but wasnt able to break Devastating Exabyte even with 8 dfms and 25k stats.

So here is my point, imo it's common sense that it is bannable, everyone know vamp cant win without this items and if the shop cant be reached by heros it is for a reason..
Also rules says : "No using heros to steal items (chaos, gem)...". 
So its not by using hero but it's pretty much the same...
It's also common sense that glich exploit is bannable...

But apparently rules need to be update since some people dont seem to get it..

EDIT : Less importantly, People use to hunter s scope to destroy items by shops where heros cant be, im fine with that since you can use your lich to carry items, but nowadays again thanks to charm people can use the wards lich are carrying so we might aswell delete it from the game...

ChesireCat wrote:Hello,

I was playing as a vamp when a well known admin decided to use glitch to buy chaosphere and dark chaos gem (by using charm on the lich).
Then I argue with him, telling him it was bannable, he told me it was not and that all admins used it so I was a little confuse. 
Indeed after that I still tried to play, but wasnt able to break Devastating Exabyte even with 8 dfms and 25k stats.

So here is my point, imo it's common sense that it is bannable, everyone know vamp cant win without this items and if the shop cant be reached by heros it is for a reason..
Also rules says : "No using heros to steal items (chaos, gem)...". 
So its not by using hero but it's pretty much the same...
It's also common sense that glich exploit is bannable...

But apparently rules need to be update since some people dont seem to get it..

EDIT : Less importantly, People use to hunter s scope to destroy items by shops where heros cant be, im fine with that since you can use your lich to carry items, but nowadays again thanks to charm people can use the wards lich are carrying so we might aswell delete it from the game...

I never experienced something like this but i would agree to remove charm from the game and disallow all units to enter recipe shop area

And its so freakin stupid that some players stay at vampires gate and they buy and sell beast claws so u have only those that u bought when gate opened

PartyRock_Vamp wrote:

I never experienced something like this but i would agree to remove charm from the game and disallow all units to enter recipe shop area

And its so freakin stupid that some players stay at vampires gate and they buy and sell beast claws so u have only those that u bought when gate opened

I'm not complaining against charm but only from the abuse.. also you can buy claws if you pay attention to time, but there are only 1 chaos / gem..

ChesireCat wrote:

PartyRock_Vamp wrote:

I never experienced something like this but i would agree to remove charm from the game and disallow all units to enter recipe shop area

And its so freakin stupid that some players stay at vampires gate and they buy and sell beast claws so u have only those that u bought when gate opened

I'm not complaining against charm but only from the abuse.. also you can buy claws if you pay attention to time, but there are only 1 chaos / gem..

I know that i can buy claws but they had 4x click so they got them first and sold instantly and i dont have any replay

Sorry Cat, ima disagree with you here. The items dont get bought with hero, they get bought by charming the lich with your pez. Thats a great risk a pez has to take to do this stuff. Especially if you have Vampires Dream and silencer, it should be a piece of cake to kill the pez for you.

And regarding your last point, u just have to hide the items better, and there are good ways to counter charming, for example cloak of shadows. Ofcourse you could scout the lich, but still, is more difficult than to let your lich out in the open without invisibility.

You just playing with the rules here, I could do the same and say you use your hero to pick up items from lich so in tje end you use it lol.
Also not so risky since you re not likely to use your pez to go mid unless you see vamps are attacking some bases.

ChesireCat wrote:Also not so risky since you re not likely to use your pez to go mid unless you see vamps are attacking some bases.

Well, next time you try it, lets see how it works out for you

Of course you can counter it, thats not the point I trying to make, but rules should be clearer about it, so vamps know what to expect that s all

Hi ho guys,

Just to make a point here, the rules you guys are talking about were kind of like rewrote by TheWildOnes. Even the old rules aren't ( for those who found them ) really correct. I made 2 years ago a post about it with what the rules should be. And Anonymou_s said that there is no actual rules. The only thing moderators and players must follow are these :

• Don't feed the vamp ( you can, if all agree with it or if the vampires really needs it )

• Don't troll other players :

humans : no outting just for fun or pissing someone off, banishing a trap vamp, blocking the way to repair a wall, etc...

Vampires : no camping middle, etc ...

• Don't steal the chaosphere ( in general !! not just with the hero ), and we should now add the Dark chaos too. It's common sense since without these two items there is no game anymore for the vamp.

• Don't USE any GLITCH. If you find one you must report it to Anonymou_s ID_ied NhScooter for them to fix it ( abusing a glitch IS bannable even if ALL is using it ). So you can use it, to try it out in the idea, but no more than that.

• Don't abuse your power ( for mederators ), no abusive kicks or bans, just because a player pissed you off.

If you want to sort it out, just pm Anonymou_s about what I just wrote and see for yourself huhuhu 

I believe that there won't be any punishments, since you guys weren't aware of it kind of   

Cheers.

Hey guys,

The rules I was talking about in the previous answer, were just typical rules, nothing about the one WildO wrote about, since he didn't update them. I didn't see him around lately huhu.

Thing is, Chaos stealing was always forbidden, but WildO made a mistake by writing about stealing it with a " hero ". Well 2 years ago we could only stole it with the heroes, but Anon fixed that. But, doesn't mean that people can use the lich glitch to do so simply because, nothing was write down about it huhu 

But now a lot of guys know about the glitch, even within the moderator crew. As Rotd exemplars ( I mean the modos are Rotd exemplars, so they have to do it right lal ), I wrote my previous answer for them to know that they shouldn't do so. That's all there is to it. If some guys keep using that glitch, after that post, we might need to proceed to some lil punishment  

( I even almost ban winbudwin when I saw him stole away the chaos from the vamp on my watch, but since I wasn't aware of the glitch, I didn't ban him cause the situation were kind of odd to me. I just told him that he could try to buy the Dfms if he wanted but that he sould never buy the Chaosphere nor the Dark chaos gem ).

I don't know if someone already did it, but I sent a pm to Anon, about the glitch, since it's better to fix the possible glitches than listing them to prevent people from using them.
And even if a few people know about it, it's not really fine, since they are using it. Using a glitch is like trolling the game, and trolling the game is trolling rotd ( kind of )   

Cheers.

First of all, i wouldn't call it a glitch, because if your are able and allowed to build a dfms, then it should also be considered possible to be able to buy chaos. So no, i wouldn't call it a glitch, unless the devs say otherwise.

Second, why would it be considered a no-no if you pick up chaos from the ground with your hero, when a vamp does a mistake and drops it? The whole point of the game is finding mistakes so that your team can win the game. I mean, you wouldn't ban a vamp if he killed a peasant that tped accidently right infront of him. So thats my opinion on the "picking up an item" issue, if the vamp makes a mistake, he should be punished, the same exact thing goes for peasants, when they make a mistake.

Now to the last point, i think the whole lich thing is more of a grey zone and should be discussed with the devs, maybe it is not intended to be able to buy items from the shop with the lich, HOWEVER, if it IS intended, then it shouldn't be an issue to be able to buy chaos, since there are A LOT of ways to counter this.

So yeh, my 2 cents to the topic

I got your point, but won't agree with it 

First of all, 
I never said that it wasn't allowed to pick the chaos if the vamps dropped it on the ground, since yeah, it's on him, he made a HUGE mistake. But buying the chaosphere and the Dark chaos ( as of now ) which are unique items was always forbidden ( considered as ruining the game )  .
Back to 2.23Y, most of the ban were due to Chaos stealing. It was the last version were you could reach the shop to build dfms and chaos ( if i'm right ), etc ... It was allowed to build dfms since it isn't a unique item, and there won't be real harm to do so. Anon fix that, by  preventing the heroes from getting near the shop in order to prevent any chaos stealing. Anon did so for a reason, why would Anon allow it now, just because you can use the lich to buy items ? Chaosphere and Dark chaos are needed for the vamps, or you just want an easy win maybe 
So keep going on building dfms, but all the people who are buying the Chaosphere and the Dark Chaos will have to stop it. Plus there is no point in doing so, since it's ruining the game and making it boring ( well of course that is my point of view huhuhu   )

Second,
Your second part, I didn't get why you put that up, since as I said in my first part, I never wrote about that. Picking an item if the vamps dropped it on the floor. It's sad for them, but losing an important item like that is lame. So They kind of ask for the humans to steal away from them huhuhue  

And to end this, you're right, the only ones who can clear this up for good are the devs. But there is no LOT of ways to counter what you're talking about, there is some yeah, but not LOT. It's not as if there is 100 possible actions huhu 

Cheers.

Shadowthong,

I am going to have to side with Apple.Time on this, and where did you come up with the idea that debs didn't say this is a glitch. Do you have proof of that? Did you ask Anon, Nhs, Wild, ID? As far as I know they would think of this as a glitch. Why? Because it breaks specific rules in the game which devs found a way to block off. Yet now, there is a way to go against what they blocked off.

As well DFMS were never talked about in the rules, as Apple.Time has said, " there is no point in bringing that up..." With your idea on a vamp Malik mistakes is correct shadow. You can pick it up if a Vamp has dropped an item. I have done in the past and I have done it with a bunch of items such as beast claws and beast armor. If a Vamp would prefer an item not to be stole. They would make items on the tome shop or the recipe shop vicinity.

If you would like me to contact a dev and ask them their opinions for you I can. Yet if you have noticed there are 2 people on the global mods list that aren't devs, Apple and myslelf, as well we are the only ones who haven't been shamans, yet we are still knowledgable about these matters. Global mods are chosen due to their information about a forum or game. Please do not always doubt our judgement shadowthong, because you want to know what the answer from a dev is I will get you your answer

Well, you talked about stealing, and the very definition of stealing, is to take an item away from someone. Since the vamp never had it, it shouldn't be considered "stealing" .

But thats not the point here, I agree with you regarding heroes being able to buy chaos. Since its not possible to do that anymore, it falls out of the spectrum of the discussion.

And no, I totally disagree with your "ruining the game" part, it's way more difficult to get those items now, and like i said, therer are A LOT of ways to counter it (yes i will stick with my point here, apple haha )
You could buy cloak of shadows, you can silence the pez and he wont be able to cast the spell anymore, the next point would be "situational awareness" which every decent vamp should have haha. If they don't have it, well then it's time to acquire that So yeah, with situational awareness you should be easily capable, of killing a pez if he gets near your lich, especially with the great item vampires dream. The next point would be, Chaos gets released at exactly 30:00 minutes, so you could just position your vamp beside the shop and ez pez, u get your chaos as a vamp. And start with the "what happens if the vamp doesn't have enough feed" blabla, you can't tell me that a vamp won't be able to spare 2k5 gold at 30 minutes


Long story short, like I already mentioned, I'd like to get a statement from the devs, maybe it is intentional to be able to buy items with lich, and maybe its not hehe

First of all the fact that you can use charm and buy recipes is a bit of BS, 2nd of all stealing choas has always been bannable, that's no exception to this new litch charming and buying yourself recipies because essentially you're stealing a litch through charm then stealing choas....

Second of all, Shadow said "I wouldn't call it a glitch, unless the devs say otherwise", which basically says that SHADOW considers it not to be glitch unless the devs confirm it to be one, he never claimed to have asked the devs.

Also Rage, all of us can contact the devs and shamans so don't consider yourself so special and what has rank got to do with this anyway? I mean you're literally no more special than bot mods except you can move forum topics and i've asked ID about shamans in the clan and he just said that they're there only to invite people to the clan and have no special privileges. Also, if Shadow wanted to ask a dev for an answer he could just go ahead and ask himself, it's literally nothing special to have contact with a dev...

Finally, i don't understand why this is such a heated discussion when stealing choas has always been bannable and that's exactly what charming a litch to take choas is, and dfms provides no benefit whatsoever, sure you can cast it on a vamp but what's 200 armor to them when they have 15k agi or something...

@Shadow,

huhuhu you little player you killed me 

Well I can see that you will stick to your " LOT ", but while reading you I saw that you talked about JUST 3 ways to counter it huehuehue , so I might want you to give me an argument that could help me understand that " LOT " you like so much, like a little list :p 

You can disagree with me on that, since it's just my idea huhuhu, but you won't take away from me the fact that a vampire without Chaosphere nor Dark chaos will be like MEH 
And I have to disagree with you because........... It happens that some vampires won't be able to buy Chaosphere nor Dark Chaos at 30mins. Want proofs ? I'm one of those noobs who can't buy it at 30:00 mark  lululul  ( be a bit sorry for me please lal )

Well to settle all that, I just talked to Nh like 20mins ago, and he told that he knew about the lich, and it's a glicth, and Chaosphere ( and Dark chaos ) stealing is indeed FORBIDDEN   


You guys should tell it to all the guys who know about that glitch. Even moderators won't be spared if they keep on buying the Chaos and Dark Chaos 



@OCD,

First, 
casting dfms on a vamp is more useful than you think  and It keeps you safe from the Chaos effect kind of ( I mean your hero won't die after the chaos got triggered more than 3 times huhu )

Second,
you're right when you said that Shadow never claimed to have ask the devs, Ra[G]e got it wrong on that one. We all can make some mistakes 

Third,
I don't think that Ra[G]e meant it that way when he talked about the all Global Moderation thing. But Well I won't talk in his stead. The only thing I can tell is that, it's not the right place to talk about that. If Rage want to answer to that, you guys should do it in private huhuhu 

And, yeah being a shaman or not isn't anything special, you're just entrusted with adding people in the clan or... getting them out 

With love,

Apple 

Cheers.

Well I guess at this point I should actually post. Consider this important considering I rarely post anymore. (Two posts in 14 months, yes I looked that up)

PartyRock_Vamp wrote:I know that i can buy claws but they had 4x click so they got them first and sold instantly and i dont have any replay

When you think something might be wrong always save a replay and ask. That way if something is wrong you have proof.

ShadowThong wrote:ima disagree with you here. The items dont get bought with hero, they get bought by charming the lich with your pez.

A lich is technically a hero.

Apple.Time wrote:I sent a pm to Anon, about the glitch

About time someone asks besides arguing like people that are 2 years old.

[quote=Ra[G]e ]Did you ask Anon, Nhs, Wild, ID? [/quote]


Since when is wild a developer?


[quote=Ra[G]e]Global mods are chosen due to their information about a forum or game. Please do not always doubt our judgement [/quote]

Do not be so arrogant. Global modes are chosen based on character not just based on knowledge. Thinking they are is just foolish and stupid.

Ask questions before arguing. This is annoying and way too heated for something so simple its stupid. I am absolutely astonished that it actually made it to this point. Thank you all for speaking for all four devs. (because apparently there is now a fourth developer that I never got a notice about)


TO THE REST OF YOU

Chaos and Dark Gem take an hour to be able to buy again so do not be the annoying person that ruins the game by buying them. Claws have a max stock of one and take awhile to restock so do not be the annoying person preventing dfms by repeatedly buying and selling claws. Learn from these people and do not do this in the future.

Thank you for your time nh

All is clear now huhu 

Well i just wanna be the first to say it, Congratz Wild on making Developer!

What you talkin about xD